In the tiny village of Nikolaevsk, Alaska exists a people carrying on a religion lost to time. Called the Old Believers, this sect of the Russian Orthodox church carries on long-forgotten traditions abandoned when the church enacted reforms. Red Alaska follows the Old Believers of Nikolaevsk as they prepare for the thaw of winter and the start of salmon fishing season.

The Old Believers have a history of persecution and hardship, forced to flee persecution from the Russian Orthodox church in the 17th century, scattering the population that settled in places from China to Brazil to Alaska. This village encountered a split of their own, when dissident members left to establish a priestless community in the neighboring area of East End. Fishermen by trade, the Nikolaevsk villagers are forced to share the waters with their faithless rivals.

Maintaining their centuries-old traditions while surviving as commercial fishermen on Alaska’s rough seas is a challenge for the “Old Believers”. Unable to fish on Alaskan waters during the region’s winter slumber, the community has fallen on hard times, with the village’s priest Father Nik broke and unable to complete construction on his new church.

While their religion may be different, the community members’ struggles to find jobs and feed their families tell a universal tale of economic hardship and overcoming diversity.

 Learn more about the Old Believers of Nikolaevsk on Red Alaska on Saturday, Nov. 30 at 10P.

Comments

  1. Daina Westman
    Ohio
    November 30, 2013, 10:40 pm

    What a bad name these people gave believing communities. These people are womanizers whose testimony for God is shameful.

  2. Jo
    Colorado
    December 1, 2013, 12:58 am

    What Happened to thE Incredible Dr Pol Show?

  3. sam ayjan
    oregon
    December 6, 2013, 6:12 pm

    This is big Joke if these Alaskan fake actors really where religious they wouldn’t be Judging fellow man !!!!!!!!

  4. sam ayjan
    December 6, 2013, 6:14 pm

    Drunken judges should be ashamed of them selves!!!!!!

  5. sam ayjan
    or
    December 6, 2013, 6:18 pm

    If they think we are priestless they’re heartlless in my opinion.

  6. Natalia
    Minnesota
    December 9, 2013, 12:08 am

    Really Diane, NAT geo just likes to take unique comminties like our, find retareded people to go along with them make a joke about them? That is not how we live and most of our men are not womenizers like you claim! REALLY! Do you know who we are? No you don’t. It’s like saying all Americans are womenizers or all African Americans are womenizers or all Chinese are womenizers! REALLY so insulting, we live exactly like the rest of Americans, we work hard we play hard we have families we love we get together we celebrate, whatever the occasion! The only difference we pray differently from other churches and we observe holidays on different days than most Americans , And we also DONT work SUNDAYS, the lords day, and if that makes us so different, then we are outcasts in America.
    NAT GEO wants to pick the drunks of the village and portray the of us like that. I don’t think so, That is so wrong!

  7. Natalia
    December 9, 2013, 12:26 am

    And to you NAT GEO! what gives? Really those priest less people are sooo horrible and the est end is sooo horrible, that was the repeat of the show, Priestlless this priestless that. Why don’t you go and interview a person in the priestless. Community and see our point of view before you make us out as these horrible evil people, we are nothing like what you portrayed us. And it’s not priestless it’s POPELESS. We have priest we just don’t have popes, because we believe our last true pope died back in the 1600s. And nobody is true enough to be a true pope in this time. Those people went to Romania and excepted a pope from a different church, and that’s just not the way our church works! GET your facts straight before you televise your garbage. I used to watch your channel all the time but now I know it’s full of bullshit it’s just reality tv whatever gets ratings who cares if it’s shit or crap as long as it gets rating . I didn’t know you were in competition with MTV and Snooky and REal housewives. The next community you portray please make it real and not some cartoon!

  8. joe cool
    idaho
    December 9, 2013, 8:28 am

    Their rivals are not faithless this article is very redundant they keep calling them priestless when they themselves are the priestless.

  9. jack
    December 9, 2013, 9:52 am

    Sellouts

  10. Sophia
    December 9, 2013, 8:45 pm

    Wow… I’m really disappointed in Nat Geo for portraying Old believers in such a way. It also looked like that the village of Nikolaevsk wasn’t too thrilled with Nat Geo coming in and filming them as well because I’m pretty sure that the village has more than 10 people in it. I guess I can say that I’m not surprised on Nat Geo’s portrayal of the Old believer Russian community, they have a knack of taking the worst out of religious communities that they have done documentaries on; The filming that were done on the Amish and Hutterian communities are great examples of Nat Geo extracting the worst out of communities that still have sacred religious practices. I hope that people realize that there are bad eggs in every community, and majority of the time the bad eggs are the ones that are always trying to get attention which in turn stereotypes everybody else that may have an association to them.

  11. Ivan
    Alaska
    December 11, 2013, 12:54 am

    Looks like Nat Geo carefully chose their actors, they did their home work and research and went out filming, it’s too bad when they were editing the film there was nothing good they could include in the film but had to work with what they had.

    This guy they call Dom seemed to be spitting in a well continuously and then he himself ended up drinking out of it, they claim they are clinging to the traditions but when Dom asked his own son a question in Russian language the kid did not understand anything. It seems like anything these guys do they have one of their hands occupied holding a beer can.

    This so called documentary film is full of accusations and hatred, they make it seem like other neighboring village people are such enemy to them that people like Dom are shaking either fishing side by side others or going down the switchback might have been his last moment alive.

  12. Cindy
    Homer ak
    December 11, 2013, 8:02 am

    Well said Natalia and nat geo get your facts straight.

  13. ak 49
    homer ak
    December 11, 2013, 8:33 am

    I am having a hard time deciding which is funnier: The classic movie Dumb and Dumber or this so-called documentary. I especially love the part in the end where the Narrator says in his magical voice: “Little did Dom know, he was not alone…” LOL Then Dom says something about a car coming and that they better leave and to turn the camera off. LOL OOOOOhhhhhh….creeepy! Dom, what will happen if you stay? LOL

    In this video you will see National Geographic’s complete lack of journalistic integrity. Initially they set out to film a “Documentary” on the Alaskan Old Believers. Naturally, the true Old Believers turned down all invitations to be filmed for obvious reasons. So what does Nat Geo do? They go and find a “Knock-Off” group that call themselves Old Believers. This group (aka Popejniki) has long ago joined and accepted the modern priests around the world. In this video, the Popejniki constantly try to amplify the feud between the REAL conservative Old Believers and themselves, when in fact there is no feud between them. They are simply not a part of the true Old Believer church anymore. It was their own choice. Nobody asked them to join modern priests. Nat Geo found some drunk inebriates (at least in this episode) to film a Documentary on Old Believers!

    I’m not a lawyer, but personally I believe Nat Geo should go to jail for being an accomplice to drunken driving. They stood by and filmed the drunkards (in my opinion, that’s encouragement) while they were recklessly making cookies or donunts (whatever you wanna call them) on their truck and Nat Geo didn’t have the decency to report these hazards-to-society. I wonder if Nat Geo remembers how to contact those State Troopers that they also have a show on….

    While viewing this video, notice all of the things that are accepted (in no particular order):
    1- Shaved/trimmed men
    2- TV’s in their home
    3- Woman tries to explain how times are changing and they are now dating Outsiders
    4- Priest lets himself and church to be filmed
    5- Most of them don’t speak their native tongue (which makes it impossible to understand their scripture which is even harder to understand than Russian)
    7- Divorces
    8- Etc, etc, etc!

    All of this is more than frowned upon in the true Old Believer churches.

    Enjoy the film and feel free to comment below :)

  14. Paula
    December 12, 2013, 10:37 pm

    So I guess nat geo took down the u tube film of red Alaska to much negative comments

  15. Petro
    OR
    December 18, 2013, 3:11 pm

    WoW ( Natalia) sounds like the truth hurts!! You say Sunday is a God’s day for you?? (what a joke) All you guys do is party and drink on Sundays , Dom was correct they do threat them that way, then again you people treat everyone like that regardless if they are priestless. or not, if they don’t believe what you believe they are outcast. I think NAT did a great job choosing Modern orthodox people for there documentary , imagine if they choose people that are priestless , now that would have been embarrassment to ALL Russian Orthodox Believers. All of you that made comment being offended by it, its because the truth is so close (lol)

  16. Petro
    December 18, 2013, 10:29 pm

    Note: ALL you Russian orthodox drink a lot !regardless where you are located, drinking is part of your life’s sad to say and again I didn’t find nothing wrong with this Documentary it was all true!, (AK 49) at lest they are open and don’t hide it , not like all you priestless hide it and do more stuff then they do (hypocrites) Now I know why you guys didn’t want to precipitate because all you hide form each other so the truth would have come out and that would be not a good thing huh? lol again HYPOCRITES!

  17. Andy
    Anchorage ak
    December 19, 2013, 8:12 pm

    Well Petro seems to me like no one in America drinks especially you but in every city, town, and village on Friday, and saterday most of Americans drink, hence the billion dollar incomes for Budweiser, coorslight ect. So Petro to your last comment that they hide from each other, well our wrong ,they hide from imbeciles like you and your kind. The true old believers people are unique and are a breath of fresh air,and theydon’t participate in these shows is because scripture does not allow and the true old believers don’t drink like you claim. So have your illusions and dillusions Petro, but I can sincerely say you are wrong.

  18. ak49ian
    December 19, 2013, 8:25 pm

    Where should I start, Petro…The name “Peter” roughly means “rock” or “stone”. Which would mean that a person carrying that name would stay hard and true to the REAL truth. Yet, you choose betray Saint Peter and go on a purely nasty rant full of accusations. For example, you say “all you Russian orthodox drink a lot”. The truth is, you, and people like you, more than likely have never met a true Old Believer. If you have, then you would be ashamed of yourself. You will NEVER get a documentary on them. You will NEVER get a comment from them…at least not online. The TRUE Old Believers do not drink a lot…the weak and outcasts do. Al you have done is presented your childish attitude to the public. I pray that you used a fake name. Your future children would probably disown you for your unfair judgement of a beautiful group of people who in fact want to stay to themselves. I repeat – you will NEVER get a documentary on the true Old Believers. May God forgive and bless you. :) Note: AK 49 comment above was copied from my video description on YouTube and posted here by a hack. I’m the true ak49ian. :)

  19. alaskan russian
    alaska
    December 21, 2013, 7:26 pm

    I am a popeless russian old believer ( dont know where they got priestless from). I just wanna say that them or us have no right putting our faces on tv and saying that we are russian old believer. The true russian believer would never be on tv. They would never let anyone film them or their church. The true russian old believer just want to be left alone. The truth is we as well as them are lose this religion

  20. alaskan russian
    December 21, 2013, 7:32 pm

    Losing this religion faster than we can hold on. Don’t get me wrong there are some on our side that are really trying to hold on but it’s getting harder.

  21. John
    December 26, 2013, 7:32 pm

    AK, is this not a documentary on old believers?

    http://www.folkstreams.net/film,171

  22. ak49ian
    December 28, 2013, 3:49 am

    John, I see where you’re going with this. It is true, the link you provided will lead you to a documentary on the Old Believers (different from those in Red Alaska). Even though this film is a more accurate documentary, unlike the silly reality show of the Red Popejniki in Alaska, I feel there is a need to clarify something.

    The video from your link was made in the 1980s. The true, strong Old Believers where NOT in that video (at least not knowingly or by choice). Those times were still kind of new to the Old Believers in America. The weaker were already accepting more and more of the American lifestyle even then. Even though they did not allow the spiritual proceedings of their wedding in church to be filmed, the fact remains that they allowed the rest if it to be filmed. Which is wrong.

    Are they Old Believers? Yes they are (though if they were true and strong to their ways, they would NOT have let themselves to be filmed). Are they the same as the “Old Believers ” in the so called documentary-Red Alaska? No they are not. The “Popejniki ” in Red Alaska were in the midst of their crusade to join with the modern priests around that time.

    But, like I have said in my other posts, all that the film producers care about is to have something or someone to film. They seem to really not care about the truth. The true fact that the true Old Believers will never be caught on tape. Because if they cared, they would make at least a slight effort to mention THAT. None of the films mention that anybody who participates should/will be excommunicated from the Old Believer church.

    The Popejniki call the Old Believers “priestless “. Anybody, with half a mind, reading this, will understand that if the foundation of a building is damaged or destroyed, the top will crumble and fall. Like the Popejniki, the true Old Believers believe the same thing as far as what the church is supposed to practice. But the difference is, common sense. The true Old Believers will not accept anything that will destroy their foundation. After decades and centuries of schisms, it is now simply too confusing and literally impossible to find the TRUE priests coming from the true Apostolic church. So they choose to hang on to what they KNOW is pure, staying away from documentaries. Meanwhile, hoping and praying for forgiveness and understanding from God.

    At the same time, on the other hand, the Popejniki in Red Alaska (including their priest!) are making fools of themselves on national television in some bizarre reality show. Tsk tsk.

    I’m am sorry. I honestly have not even scratched the surface of what needs to be said to understand the true Old Believers.

    Just remember one thing- If any film producer ever approaches the true Old Believer priests, I guarantee you all 100% that the priests will turn them down. The priests will speak kindly, be courteous, and all of that. But also, they will be firm and say NO, THANK YOU. PLEASE LEAVE US ALONE.

    If, by some chance, IF a priest of the true Old Believer church ever accepts and takes part in any film, or even allows anyone to participate, he will be deemed unworthy and removed from his position in church by the congregation. Liberal or progressive actions are the opposite of the very conservative Scriptures of the Old Believer church and therefore not tolerated.

  23. Petro
    December 31, 2013, 1:25 am

    Oh AK when I was reading your response I felt sad for you , Yes I was born as old believer and I’m ashamed to even admitted, That region is a CULT, all it teaches you is LIES, Hatred and Judgement , The men that you so call “priests” which I personally call them ( Pharisees!!!) are nothing but heartless, ruthless people all the want is POWER and CONTROL , They don’t teach the true word of GOD but false teaching and put your minds in a compound to control you. That is why they won’t be on TV because of hypocrisy ( MEANING the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one’s own behavior does not conform; pretense.) . If you read the True Holy Bible the New Testament then you will know the true meaning of being a Christian. I’m sure you are telling yourself that this is “Blasphemy” how dare you, well its because I felt that way when I was in darkness like you!, because I didn’t know the truth either. Now I know the truth I feel sad for all of you. You fight for something that you don’t even Believe in which is JESUS CHRIST, what does the First commandment? I’m sure you don’t know , I will share with you (1.You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God) and what does that cult all about? ICONS they forgot who died for our salvation ( JESUS CHRIST) not some picture of a saint that didn’t do nothing and can’t hear you! 2nd Commandment ( You shall love your neighbor as yourself.) What do you guys do? Kill each other because they don’t have the same beliefs. YES that religion is OLD BELIEVERS the word says it ALL , there is no Jesus Christ in it! ! You guys are so heavy in darkness that if Jesus Christ would come today with out a BEARD and eat with everyone , you would crucify him just like Pharisees did!, I pray and will continue to pray for all of you that one day you will know the Truth. I will share with you what Jesus said to so call religions ( Pharisees)
    Matthew 23:13 “But woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You keep locking people out of the kingdom of heaven! For you neither enter nor permit those trying to enter to go in.
    Matthew 23:15 “Woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You cross land and sea to make one convert, and when you get one, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves!
    Matthew 23:25 “Woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside they are full of greed and self- indulgence..

    If you want to learn more about the truth ( Jesus Christ) please click on the link below
    http://www.biblegateway.com

  24. Petro
    December 31, 2013, 1:52 am

    Also AK, Peter wasn’t a SAINT he was APOSTLE , apparently you don’t know who he was and don’t know your scriptures, you only what was told to you or read from the men made bible that is nothing but lies. And ANDY you say Old Believers is breath of fresh air?? They consume your air out of you with there lies and deceit!

  25. onlooker
    January 1, 7:57 am

    this case is closely watched by the old believers http://oldbelievers.wordpress.com/

  26. Petro
    January 2, 12:07 am

    AK, one last thing, you say they have TV”S etc. Well all of you seen the documentary right? So this means all of you have TV’s and computer, isn’t according to your men made scriptures and rules its forbidden to have such things in your home or watch or use them anywhere else,, since its a Devil. I know when I was in that cult , we never had them in our homes or watch anywhere else, I didn’t see my first movie until I left that culture, therefor you contradicted yourself AGAIN hypocrites!

  27. Petro
    January 2, 12:09 am

    AK, one last thing, you say they have TV”S etc. Well all of you seen the documentary right? So this means all of you have TV’s and computer, isn’t according to your men made scriptures and rules its forbidden to have such things in your home or watch or use them anywhere else,, since its a Devil. I know when I was in that culture we never had them in our homes or watch anywhere else, I didn’t see my first movie until I left that culture, therefor you contradicted yourself AGAIN (hypocrite!)

  28. ak49ian
    January 3, 1:38 pm

    No, Petro. I’m feeling sorry for YOU. Take a step back and reread all my posts and yours.

    1. I have zero hatred in mine while you are obviously angry at something.

    2. I never told you that I’m a true Old Believer. But since you assumed that I am, let me enlighten you. In the Old Believer community, I’m one of the more sinful ones.

    3. I will not click on the link that you have provided. Nobody forces me to believe anything and nobody is imprisoning my mind in any “compound ” of control (your own reference ). I ONLY GET MY FACTS FROM SCRIPTURE THAT HAS BEEN AROUND LONGER THAN THE LINK YOU HAVE PROVIDED.

    4. We do not treat our icons as God. They are simply images or depictions of those holy moments of time. English is my second tongue. I am unable to explain myself better in English.

    5. When we pray to apostles Peter and Paul, one of the prayers begins like this- Святии верховнии апостоли…. in my translation, all святые are saints. Again, this is not my first language. I may be wrong. But I do know that Peter was an apostle. In another prayer, it goes something like this (in part)- (веруем) И во едину святую соборную и апостольскую церковь. Since you claim to have been a part of this church, I assume you can read and understand that. If you choose to not believe in that, may God be with you. I’m will not say that you left and joined some cult. ;)

    6. I do not have a TV. But I do have a tool that I use for business quite a bit. I am currently using it to write this. The true Old Believers do not use these tools. I am a sinner.

    7. Etc.

    Final word: I’m am not a part of any cult. You and I can choose to believe or not to believe. You, my friend are confused and therefore more than likely lost in your own dark confusion. That’s what happens when you sway from the truth and start searching and discovering new things. Everything starts to make sense. Go ahead with your bashing and enjoy life. But remember – this is only a test and it will not last forever.

    P.s. Jesus will not come back without a beard. That’s just silly, among other things. :)

  29. ak49ian
    January 3, 1:56 pm

    Oh, by the way, Petro, go and take a “chill pill”. You’re so angry that you’re not even hearing yourself. What in the world are you talking about when you say that we “kill each other because they don’t have the same belief ” …? You obviously WERE a part of a murderous cult, cause you certainly are shocking me now. Because in the true Old Believer church nobody has ever been killed for anything. That’s just beyond ridiculous. Actually, lay off of them “chill pills”. Don’t take any drugs. You’re already delusional. Don’t bother writing anything else, and just go join that Red Alaska reality show and show us your love. I will definitely be your fan. You’re funny. :)

  30. Andy
    January 3, 2:51 pm

    Hey ak 49 seem to me like somebody gave Petro some sour milk in the morning lol his rants are getting more unrealistic by the minute, seems to me like he has a lot of hatered with in him , pointing things out in a inhuman fashion and supposedly he said he seen the light and true chistianity, what would Christ say to him talking inhumanly and accusingly . Hipocracy , ring a bell there Petro seem to me u have a knack for it

  31. oliva
    January 3, 10:40 pm

    Hello everyone, let me just say I’m not old believer , however I grew up by them, I know that culture very well, I have just seen the show and I thought there was nothing wrong with it. when I clicked on this link It was pretty interesting to read everyone’s comments. AK49 I don’t think Petro did not express hatred or anger , he sounds frustrated that you guys make it sound like Old believers are saints and they are great people, apparently he lived that life and it sounds like he knows it very well he was just trying to explain that its not what you all portray it to be.

    When I grew up with all the old believers they had a lot of hatred towards anyone that was not in their culture, I remember being scared passing by their homes if they seen us, the kids would throw rocks at us and say something in Russian , as time when by and we grew up I became friends with lots of them, some of them where son’s and daughters of preachers. also they where 3 groups that where different ( turchan, Harbin, and sinchagn) not sure if I spelled it wrong. I know it was forbidden for me to come to their homes I couldn’t even come to the driveway. however they would come to my home ( I never I understood that either) I remember one time my friend sneaked me in her home and her mother caught me she started yelling at me like I killed something was a very scary moment and my friend told me to run. Now days its a little better, however when you come to their homes they give you a plastic dish’s yet they go to restaurants and eat with my dishes when they come over, again don’t understand that either why do it? if you are in that culture then follow it! don’t be a hypocrite about. They put their Russian dresses on when they leave the home and come over and change and go to the bars, and these are the friends that they are high in their culture and church. that is why Petro said what he said.

    ak49 I don’t mean to put your culture down for what i’m about to say, you did say you are not one of them y yet you follow the rules so I’m confused what your religion is. The weddings they have all I can say is WOW the celebration are like 3 weeks nothing put drinking, I went to one of my good friends wedding and I would NEVER call that as a Christian wedding the things that happen there its scary for a Christian like me. I never went to another one again and wouldn’t never support it
    Petro said you kill. its because they have killed one men couple of months ago at one of their weddings in Brazil or Bolivia not sure which country, just because he didn’t believe either in One or TWO cross that they pray with. which that is the latest feud that have among themselves and more families are destroyed and for what? men made rules again.!

    I know you guys celebrate Easter and Christmas that’s from the New Testament. I never understood why? when you don’t believe the full New Testament just pick and choose what benefits them. You say that you read PAUL and Peter that’s new testament isn’t it? You just seem to contradict yourself a lot, I’m not here to put anyone down, I know what the old believers are all about , I lived by them over 40 years and seen lots of changes lots of families destroyed because someone decides to change rules I knew 3 churches now they have over 30+ ?. Therefore Most of Old Believers are not as pleasant as you say they are. I’m not sure which True Old Believers you are referring to?

    Questions AK49? you said that your scriptures and bible are older then the Holy Bible that Petro gave a link to, I didn’t know that there is much older scriptures then the Holy Bible can you please send a link to me? i never heard of this before I would love to know what Scriptures and bible you are referring to. (Last question) Russian Orthodox religion is only 1000 years old and Jesus Christ was on earth over 2000 years what happen to to those other people? Sounds like you need to read up on your history. GOD BLESS all of you

  32. ak49ian
    January 7, 1:22 am

    Olivia, you are not reading clearly. Go back and reread what I actually said. I said that our Scripture was around longer than the LINK Petro provided. I however did NOT say that our Scripture is older than the Holy Bible. I stand by my words, unwavering. If I have any questions about my religion, I will go and find the answers in OUR Scripture, not yours. I have not and will not click on Petro’s link. Nor will I provide any links to my belief because those links do not exist. But if you wanted to see the Holy Books that my church follows, you would need to stop by in person. But so far as I have read your post, I am not interested in meeting you.

    This is the reason why- You and Petro and people like you are waaaay off base and subject. There is only one message here that I’m trying to get across. And that is this- You will never get a documentary on the true Old Believers. You can get personal and come up with stories and dwell on old memories of how some little children were bullying you years ago. That is not the way of the true Old Believers.

    And bundling some sort of killing with our belief?? What are you talking about?? Killing is definitely NOT what the Old Believer church teaches! Or promotes! Or condones! To that, I will say this: You and the likes of Petro are simply pulling the oldest liberal trick in the books and that is to Seek out those who disagree, Discredit them, then Destroy.

    You also said that in the past you weren’t allowed in their homes, BUT NOW IT’S BETTER. Sounds to me like anything that goes your way is better, but to preserve the sanctity of a belief is somehow bad. Why not just accept the fact that until you go through the whole PROCESS, you can not mix with the old believers? The people who go to restaurants are those who are weak and are swaying away from the church. It has never been accepted nor will it ever be. Absolutely none of your comments described the true Old Believers. But that doesn’t matter to you or Nat Geo. You’re on a mission and that is to distort the truth. Good luck and have fun with that. Just remember: you look and sound very much like a hater and a sad person when you write the nonsense in your post. Nobody is trying to come across as saints. There are good people and bad people in EVERY community. The weirdos will join your liberal garbage reality shows while the true Old Believers will keep dodging you. I, on the other hand, actually UNDERSTAND and know the true ways and am a believer of those ways (though I’m a bit off track myself) If you decide to pull Petro on me and ask what I’m doing here online, I say to you: Go and reread my answer to him.

    I very much enjoy writing, I’m sure one can tell by the length of my posts ;) But I am getting tired of repeating my self when I say this: Distort and bash all you want, you are not getting nearer to the truth. The strong, true Old Believers will keep dodging Nat Geo and you. But the weak will get weaker until they become like you and then they will join yours and Petro’s band wagon in the “discrediting movement”.

    I have said before all this started in the Homer tribune’s comment section: Nat Geo will come in like a storm, destroy a beautiful thing, then they will leave us to pick up the rubble. I wasn’t far off, was I? The storm is beginning to brew. It will be very interesting to see how all this goes for the Popejniki in Nikolaevsk, Alaska. More than likely, some are already kicking themselves for joining. Bye, for now? ;)

  33. ak49ian
    January 7, 2:19 am

    Sorry, oliva, I’m back.

    I wasn’t taking notes on what to respond to when I read your opinion post (there was a lot I chose to leave out) and forgot to try and answer your last question.

    You’re confusing yourself with numbers (1000 years, 2000 years, etc). Obviously you know nothing of our church’s beginning and have the audacity to tell me to read up on my history. Let me enlighten you in Russian because I do not know how to explain this English:

    Наша церковь была составлена семи вселенскими соборами, сотнями святых отцов. И мы всё принимаем что было установлено. А САМИ ни имеем право ничего изменить. Что за время потерялось из за всякого гонения, уж нам трудно достать. А что все еще осталось, за то будем держаться.

    So yes, Jesus was around 2,000 years ago. And our church was formed waaay after that.

    Now let me ask you this: If Red Alaska is supposedly a DOCUMENTARY on Old Believers, how come those facts are not in it? Why is it a stupid reality show on modernized (knockoff ) Old Believers? When you go and accept modern priests, you forfeit your title as an “Old Believer”.

    The Popejniki are now something else. The producers of Nat Geo should stress that fact more than they are.

    P.S. We should no longer be dissing one another. If you’re right, good for you. If we’re right, good for us. If the other beliefs are right, good for them. This is not the place to discuss all of that. It would require a library of some very thick books to get to the bottom of this.

  34. Andy
    January 7, 5:21 pm

    Ak 49 nian seems to me we have our selfs another big time hater of a timeless religion , meaning we still look and do things the same way for century’s yet the people trying to discredit us are changing every week, and have the gall to say we are true Christians mull that over Olivia and Petro .I believe nat geo came in like a storm and this is what they made happen hatered and misconceptions, thanks a lot nat Geo, I hope u sleep good at night knowing u are getting ratings and attention

  35. oliva
    January 7, 11:43 pm

    ak49? who are your holy fathers? since you don’t understand in English I will say it in Russian, and I took it from Petro’s link to transliterate for you and I know you guys read Mathew .

    От Матфея 23:9 И пусть никого из вас не называют отцом, потому что один у вас Отец, Который на Небесах..

    And the link that Petro sent its old and new testaments its just scary for you to read because you will know the truth, its easier to live not knowing the truth.

    Just tIf you ask any one that lives by an old believers especially in Alaska you will not hear nice things , Unless you are a modern old believer

    I have notice You don’t answer all your questions that you have been asked you only choose the one you want to answer, It’s because that’s what your old culture teaches ” pick and choose whats convenient and suits you”

    Its no point wasting time with narrow-minded person like you. You will be in my prays that one day you will see and know the truth.

  36. oliva
    January 7, 11:50 pm

    ak49? who are your holy fathers? since you don’t understand in English I will say it in Russian, and I took it from Petro’s link to transliterate for you and I know you guys read Mathew .

    От Матфея 23:9 И пусть никого из вас не называют отцом, потому что один у вас Отец, Который на Небесах..

    And the link that Petro sent its old and new testaments its just scary for you to read because you will know the truth, its easier to live not knowing the truth.

    I have notice You don’t answer all your questions that you have been asked you only choose the one you want to answer, It’s because that’s what your old culture teaches ” pick and choose whats convenient and suits you”

    Just don’t portray that Old Believers are breath of fresh air and yes every culture has bad seed, at lest they don’t get so defensive with the others opinions and call them haters that has nothing to do with it, if you ask any one that lives by an old believers especially in Alaska you will not hear nice things , Unless you are a modern old believer

    Its no point wasting time with narrow-minded person like you. You will be in my prays that one day you will see and know the truth.

  37. ak49ian
    January 8, 4:11 am

    That’s right, oliva.

    I don’t answer all of your questions because talking to people like you is equivalent to casting pearls before swine. You will trample them and go about your business. Your misconceptions will lead you nowhere good. The real truth will continue to be true to us, that’s all that matters.

    I have probably been very annoying to your kind.

    It more than likely burns you and Nat Geo and everyone else of your kind that the true Old Believers will never be documented on TV. You wanted a real show and you got crap. You can come up with as many claims, falsehoods, etc., as you want, but all you’re proving is that you are probably a disgruntled Popejnik (doesn’t matter) and you have no idea who and what the real Old Believers are like.

    This outspoken fellow (little ol’ me) is signing off. I’ll give someone else the chance to put in their two cents worth. Fun talking to you. I’m sure the readers got quite a show. Let them read all of the above comments and be the judge. Good bye. :)

  38. Arina
    Alaska
    January 11, 9:24 pm

    Oliva , now they are calling them self “pearls” LOL AK49 you sound like an Idiot lol. If you where not born an old believer and wasn’t raise in that culture then you shouldn’t be talking on there behave since you don’t know that culture. I on the other hand was born and raise one and it is a CULT. Petro and Oliva where right, and how they treat the popejnik DOM was right I count my blessings everyday that I left. You and I know it very well why they didn’t want to be involve its because they are afraid to show their truth colors how ruthless they can be . :)

  39. Sunnydays
    Oregon
    January 12, 12:31 am

    I thought national geographic did an ok job. I personally grew up in the “priest-less” side and thought the shows portrayal is not too radically different from other old believers. Yes, there are differences but it was still interesting. What I wish they focused more on is the culture itself instead of fishing. I no longer am in the russian community but I still find the russian community interesting with many lovely things in it. The wedding customs, easter celebrations and the bond in the community during these occasions for example. I wish they delve more in that direction…I do think its kind of cool that National Geographic took an interest in this community and it could have been a great documentary had they had more to work with. Below is a blog from a guy who also grew up in the community. I hope you enjoy! Blessings to all of you……http://oldbelieverfaith.wordpress.com/about/

  40. o.Pavel
    Oregon
    January 14, 12:36 am

    Hurrah! – to the hypocrites and whoremongers for they will amuse us to the end of time!
    I have to admit with everyone; what NatGeo did in their portrayal of the Russian community in Nikolaevsk was reprehensible, misleading and totally distorted. They took a quiet community and made it look like some kind of a Hatfield/McCoy war zone. There is no plot, no values portrayed, no real timeline, basically no particular story line. The majority of the chosen characters have very little concern for religion, faith or tradition. It speaks nothing about the past or the hardships of historical trials of survival of the community. It reeks of a modern day Hollywood B-movie comedy with very bad actors. At least the shows like “Deadliest Catch”, “Gold Rush”, and “The Kilcher Family” had a timeline and a plot that could be followed. Those were REAL reality shows and we all understood that.
    The ugliest stab in the back for Old-believers is the name of the show. Who ever chose “RED Alaska” must have been out of his/her mind. “Red” to the old-believers is “Communist” and to try to brand a community, which has suffered so much tragedy from the communist regime, as “RED” is no different then to call the Jews scattered after the German “Holocaust” – “Nazis”. Red also represents blood and hatred. Who ever decided on this name must have blood in their eyes and an ax to grind against this small community. Without a doubt, they are out to destroy the peace and prosperity of a hard working immigrant population of US Citizens. US Citizens, with the majority as born and raised in the US of A and trying to live “The American Dream” while in pursuit of their religious freedom…
    These are people that believe in the US Declaration that says “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
    The First Amendment to the United States Constitution guarantees the religious civil liberties of these people by saying: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
    Further in the “Statement on Religious Liberty” it says: “Religious Liberty shall be interpreted to include freedom to worship according to conscience and to bring up children in the faith of their parents; freedom for the individual to change his religion; freedom to preach, educate, publish and carry on missionary activities; and freedom to organize with others, and to acquire and hold property, for these purposes.”
    These are children of the Old-Rite movement of 1666, the resistance against the newly reforming Russian Church, the guardians of the original doctrine that was established in Russia in 988 – the “Gift”. These people were persecuted to near extinction, dispersed all the way around the world. You can find colonies of Old-Rite believers on every continent and in most major countries. They hold on to their “Gift” as it is passed from generation to generation. The passage of time and the assimilating power of their surroundings have damaged the “Gift”, have weakened the strength, and have lost most of the doctrine. In the US; prosperity gave rise to a movement of revival and the Old-Rite Church shines again as the original “Gift” that was passed unto them centuries before. Sadly only a few old-believers accepted this revival and are content with the few tattered fragments of the “Gift” that they currently possess.
    To NatGeo, and all the other corporate movie Hogwarts, none of that maters. The bottom line is always ratings. Ratings and viewers bring in the bucks, the more controversial the more people watch – to hell with the “documentary” the SHOW must go on.

  41. o.Pavel
    Oregon
    January 14, 4:00 pm

    Correction!!!

    Sadly only a few old-believers accepted this revival; the majority are content with the few tattered fragments of the “Gift” that they currently possess.

  42. o.Pavel
    Oregon
    January 14, 8:53 pm

    The ANONYMOUS spokesman AK49ian and his sidekick Andy have made my day. These 2 fools have really hit the spot as far as the religious knowledge of the bezpopovtsi (bess-popeshniki as they like to say it) and their mentality of today.
    1. They have no idea what church or cult they belong to. No idea when their sectarian denomination was founded. Was it 2011 or 12?
    2. They could not name one founding forefather in the initial struggle of the church separation of 1666 in Russia. From 988-1666 the Orthodox Church of Russia held Old-Rite Church Canons as does the Old-Rite Church of today. Do the bess-popeshniki?
    3. They have no idea of the main reason for the struggle. Reformation. Yet the bess-popeshniki seam to be currently in their own schismatic reformation.
    4. They have no idea of what and who survived and for how long. Protopope Avvakum lived long after the 1666 schism, his followers continued to hold on to the practice that he preached, to this very day. In the days of 1666 there were radical people like the, bess-popeshniki of today, that burned and killed them self saying it was the end of the world.
    5. AK49 mentioned the 7 Ecumenical Councils but has no idea when they were or what was canonized into Church law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_seven_Ecumenical_Councils
    6. They probably have never even heard of the 9 Local Councils that strengthened and enhanced these Church laws. Believing what babushka says as a bedside story is not a Canon Law.
    7. Ask them to name the 7 sacraments (mysteries) and how they apply to every true Christian and how many do they personally believe in? The answer will more than likely be zero. St. John Chrysostom says that if you annul even one sacrament you can not call yourself a follower of Christ i.e. a Christian. http://www.jesuschristsavior.net/Sacraments.html
    8. AK49 speaks of a large library of fat old books; my question is: Does he know what they are? – Has he read any and if so did he understand what he read? – Or does he read like a parrot “Papugai” not understanding a single word?
    9. AK49 speaks of reading a Bible – bess-popeshniki have no Bible per/say. They have a Book of Gospels and a Book of Apostle letters which includes Acts by Luke. There is also a book called the “Apocalypse” which usually sits with a heavy cover of dust on the back shelf (very hard to understand even for the best reader). During some large church service you may hear a few fragments of the Old Testament called the “Paremmii” and a multitude of service books and lives of Saints. In my travels throughout the world I have, only once, encountered an Old-Rite complete Bible. That was in the Village of Bela-Krinitsa, in the Ukraine, often referred to as Bela-Vodia by bess-popeshniki. Therefore it is hard to tell if he knows what a Bible is, let alone what truth it holds.
    10. They speak of bess-popeshniki nastavniki as priests. Again, they have no idea what a priest is. A priest is ordained by a bishop of an Orthodox Church. He is thoroughly screened for indiscretions and takes a confession of sins before ordination. A bess-popeshniki nastavnik can be the scum of the earth and still hold the position of power delegated to him by his subservient parish. Many are pedophiles and rapists hiding behind their status. The victims suppressed, the crimes covered up, often by the parents of the victims.
    11. After more than 30 years, I can still remember the final “love” a young bess-popeshniki nastavnik bestowed on me with the toe of his boot to my stomach. I was on the wet ground with blood on my face, within a breath of death, after just getting a “friendly” gang beating from my brother-in-law and his inebriated company. The reason I was there – I came to say hello to a brother-in-law, who for the first time in many years, came to visit from Oregon to Alaska. Why did they beat me within an inch of my life? – Because, as opposed to them, I chose to follow Christ and His teachings and to live my life within His Truth.

    My apology for airing out this laundry on this site. The previous posts required an answer for balance. This same post will be placed on the appropriate swill bucket of the old believers http://oldbelievers.wordpress.com/ . Any rebuttal can be placed there, where it belongs.

    This site is for NatGeo bashing only!

  43. Old Believer
    worldwide
    January 15, 3:17 am

    AMEN o. Pavel!!!!!

  44. Petro
    January 18, 12:48 am

    I too Say AMEN Brother of Christ o.Pavel!!! very well Said

  45. Oliva
    January 18, 12:49 am

    Amen Pavel!! well said

  46. Arina
    Alaska
    January 18, 12:51 am

    Amen Pavel!! and yes they are bashing Nat Geo since they don’t like to see the truth, the only thing I was disappointed with Nat is that they should of focus more how they are not about the fishing

  47. Andy
    January 18, 1:10 pm

    Seems to me your tale is stemed from from one or two individguals abuseing u yet u discredit a whole community nice going pavel three cheers for u and as for ak49 not knowing all that is stated above , he dose know . But to explain it to you is point less because u will misconstrue it to fit your abused and aperantly angry ways anyway

  48. 907
    Homer
    January 19, 12:20 am

    The red alaska dweebs are NOT old believers!!!!!! If they were they would’ve never been on any show period.

  49. ak49ian
    January 19, 1:26 am

    D……..arn…it…..you sucked me in, o.Pavel. I was pretty sure I’m done with you all. But then you go and post all of the above, mixing truth with nonsense.

    Let me make this brief.

    I could not agree with you more on the name of the show and the meaning of “Red”. I’ve told the same thing to my friends since the show aired. That’s despicable/inappropriate on Nat Geo’s part (unless they come up with some sort of explanation ).

    But you still went and bashed the true Old-Believers, calling their church a cult. Tsk—Tsk. Bad boy (I assume you’re a boy because of the name Pavel). Then, you shoot yourself in the foot by ignoring the part of my post where I said “we should no longer be dissing one another”, you go and tell a bunch of lies mixed with some truth (very little truth), then suddenly you wake up in the end and realize “this site is for Nat Geo bashing only”?…very interesting. Tsk-tsk (wagging fore-finger at you). You should have appropriately followed your own advice and perhaps simply provided a link to your blog to discuss how horrible the Old-Believer’s cult is.

    But of course, being a nasty liberal, you go and jump on that “Seek, Discredit and Destroy all Truth” band wagon. Your people are doing it on the show, and you’re doing it right here by calling the Old-Believers “scum, pedophiles, rapists”. You see, the reason I’m not going to debate the Old Believer faith with you is because it’s pointless (not because I don’t know anything, as you not-so-subtly claim). You, oliva and Petro have done a fantastic job in showing your Love (snicker ;). I’m not interested in your belief, you’re not interested in mine. Keep it that way. I don’t see you trying to REFORM anyone else….

    I know it hurts people like you to know that there are still people out there who willingly choose to live the true Old-Believer way, even though it may be harder than joining with the modern priests and having an easier lifestyle.

    Again, lay off of the true Old Believers when you join the show. Focus on yourselves. If only you knew how pathetic it looks and sounds when the stars of the show are obsessing over someone who chooses not to be there. Lol!

    Live with this fact forever- the true Old Believers know better than to fall into the trap of liberal media/bias/entertainment. Enjoy the fame, money, whatever high you’re getting from doing this. It won’t last forever. One day it will all come crashing down on your heads.

    Meanwhile, the true Old-Believers have dodged another one. :)

  50. o.Pavel
    Oregon
    January 20, 2:42 am

    In an answer to “sidekick Andy” – If it was 1 or 2 or even 4 I could have handled it. A “bess-pojniki” GANG of drunks is like a hallucinating wall of African chimps; off-course, the respectful “nastayatel” only wanted to make sure the message was understood.
    The other thing I see in “sidekick Andy” is he enjoys to hang on to the short-tail of “anony-mouse spokesman” AK49ian. “Sidekick Andy” has a fear of anger. He must have had abusive and dictatorial parents. He always does what he is told. He never contemplates for him self. He always agrees to what he is told and follows orders of his leaders and especially his “nastoyatel”.

  51. o.Pavel
    Oregon
    January 20, 4:12 am

    “Anony-mouse spokesman” AK49ian, when you hit a bull between his horns you better be ready to butcher him. If not be ready to be gored.
    1. You agree with me on the unsavory name “Red” in the NatGeo film of “ Red
    Alaska” yet one “Old-Believer” has a boat named “Red”.
    2. According to Andy above; you DO know everything. Therefore you know what the THRUTH is and what is NONCENCE.
    3. You, being a TRUE old-believer should be able to define a TRUE Church and the difference between IT and a cult.
    Wikipedia defines Church as: Church is a Christian religious institution, place of worship, or group of worshipers.
    Wikipedia defines Cult as: A Cult is a religious group or other organization with DEVIANT AND NOVEL BELIEFS AND PRACTICES. However, whether any particular group’s beliefs are deviant or sufficiently novel is often without a clear or consistent definition.
    If you are a TRUE old-believer, you should be able to prove, without a reasonable doubt, that YOU are the personification of Christianity. You need to have an ironclad connection to the words of Christ our Lord, (a hint in the direction you should first look) – In the Bible you need to read Matthew 28:18-20 Then Jesus came to them (the Apostils) and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to ME. Therefore go and make disciples of ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to OBEY everything I have commanded YOU. And surely I am with you always, TO THE VERY END OF THE AGE.” {You notice that he never mentioned old-believers and he only spoke to his disciples (uchenniki -apostoli)}
    Also explain to me the words of Christ in Matthew 26:26-29 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, ALL OF YOU. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS, I tell you; I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new WITH YOU in my Father’s kingdom.”
    4. You call me a “nasty liberal” and that I “Seek to Discredit and Destroy all Truth”; you are ABSOLUTELY correct. I seek to discredit all ‘Old-granny/rule-Believers” doctrine. The laws that these old-hags have indoctrinated into innocent children is worse then “Communism”. The terror and hatred that has been instilled into generations of families is despicable. You are like the Pharisees in: Matthew 22:35-40 One of them, an expert in religious law, tried to trap him with this question: “Teacher, which is the most important commandment in the law of Moses?” Jesus replied, “‘You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.” Yet these Babushki and Dedushki of the Old-Babushka-Believers constantly contest these laws; they seek a way to by-pass the Law of God. My intention in this fight for TRUTH is only to provide the evidence of what Jesus taught.
    5. When I speak of “scum, pedophiles, rapists”, I speak of the leadership (nastoyateli) of the Alaska “bess-popejniki”, people like Jack M., Andron M., Peter B., Agafia K., etc.. These are what YOU so adamantly call your TRUE OLD-BELIEVERS.
    6. When you say “the reason I’m not going to debate the Old Believer faith with you is because it’s pointless”, you are absolutely right. You have no leg to stand on. There is no “Christian” book that you can refer to, to back you up. Your ‘true Old-Believers’ have split into factions of single crossers and double crossers. You have created a “reformation” based in the way you form your hand. Not one of you realizes that your hand is not the cross that you are fighting for. Your hand is only a symbol of the Holy Trinity. The CROSS is the prostration on your body when you wave your hand across the front of your face. The saddest part about your dispute is the fact that your “Nastoyateli” have condemned half of your ancient Iconography and blasphemously compared them to Satan’s symbolism. They have become Iconoclasts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconoclasm ) i.e. ikonobortsi.
    7. Therefore I have no interest in “Reforming” you or your sidekick Andy. My mission is to inform all Old-Rite Christians around the world about the accuracy of your statements, about your knowledge of the Word, and about your “TRUE DEVOTION”.

  52. ak49ian
    January 21, 4:16 am

    o.Pavel, you are as anonymous as me, so stop stressing the fact that ak49ian is anonymous. There are likely thousands of Pavels on earth, and only one ak49ian. That makes you anonymous as well.

    1. You are not a “bull” of any sort. You’re an anonymous coward hiding behind a computer naming people online and taking things to a personal level.

    2. I do not need to define anything to you. I have already said before that I’m not here to debate a religion. You can stop with your propaganda now.

    3. What is it with you and my alleged “sidekick” Andy? Does it mean that I am now your sidekick as well because I agreed with you on something (like the word “Red” in the show’s title, for example)? Plus, what in this world does the boat named “Red” have to do with me? You’re weird.

    4. Everything that I believe, I have seen backed up in our Scripture. So the silly nonsense about our granny’s rules is just plain stupid (forgive me for using such a strong word).

    5. You claim you “have no interest in reforming” me, or whoever, but you still keep feeding us your interpretation of the Old Believers’ way. Understand one thing: When the Popejniki split from the true Old Believers, all the Old Believers were doing then was PRESERVING their ways and chose not to join modern priests. Nothing changed for them. Your people, on the other hand, chose to SEEK out something else, that means you are lost and still SEEKING. Therefore, you are now sorta-kinda the “new believers” of the Old Believers (since you started your own sect). I’m still not interested in debating the reasons and differences, so don’t even try. Go do it on the Blog page that you were referring to earlier. Or maybe try to reform Buddhists or Muslims, etc (Note: I have nothing against them, I just used them as an example of different beliefs).You’re wasting your breath here.

    6. The true Old Believer church hasn’t changed since their people ran from Russia. Yours did. You’re barking up the wrong tree. Note: The more you search, the more confused you will get. You’re looking for truth in all the wrong places, that’s why you sound like an angry liberal, brainwashed by your institution.

    7. I know I am correct when I say you’re trying to destroy the truth. Thank you for admitting that. You have an agenda. I don’t.

    Once again, take your own advice, and go bash, name-call and reveal people’s names elsewhere. This should be a comment section dedicated to the video that started this discussion in the first place, not some “Disgruntled Popejnik Bashing/reforming Old Believer Blog” page.

    And remember, I wish that there was some sort of cream that I could provide you with to soothe the burn from the fact that the true Old Believers will never allow a Documentary made about them. If some day someone does participate, it is because they will have chosen to leave the church and will face appropriate punishment found in the Holy Books in order to come back. Please don’t go on a rant about violence. Not a finger will be raised. Anybody can do anything they choose to, keeping in mind that when they come back, there is a process they will have to go through. That’s the way it is in MOST religions, I am sure.

  53. ak49ian
    January 21, 4:39 am

    By the way, o.Pavel, though I am honored that you think I am the “spokesman” to the Old Believer group, I must tell you that I am no such thing. I do not deserve that kind of honor.

    If I where to tell you 1+2=3, that would NOT make me a “spokesman” or some “highly-esteemed teacher” of Mathematics. That would simply mean – I say it like it is. What’s true is true.

    Once again, I’m just a regular fellow, telling you like it is.

  54. Andy
    January 21, 3:35 pm

    Side kick , cute ,really cute ,pavel , your stupidity is amazing to me. I have a true story for you( just like u, with the priest abuseing u, so u claim) when this group of people ( popeshniky) were baptizing them selfs in to the modern day sect they baptized them selfs in a body of water in nikolivsk and it dried up and is still dry till this day and I witnessed this myself so tell me pavel is that not a sign from above? As for nat geo they should (as I said before) rename the people in there film to new believers ( fact is they took blessings from modern day church ) and agin pavel u sound angry , mabe u need a chill pill or something a little stronger, have a nice day pavel

  55. katya
    January 21, 5:21 pm

    AK you are truly and idiot . You don’t make sense at all , I really want to know what true old believers you keep referring to, PLEASE EXPLAIN. And you said that religion hasn’t change one bit??? Your kidding me right? that is the biggest joke I heard! I will agree one thing, fools like you “so called true old believers” will never do any documentary since you and your kind are so saturate no one can know anything about you guys! it will be a big SIN if you do LOL

    Also you stated its forbidden per your scriptures to allow any documentary/ filmed etc. Then your scriptures are not that old because TV came out not that long ago. fool! lol, that just show you again men made rules oh oh oh wait a minute your HOLLY FATHERS rules LOL.

    Your are a Joke!

  56. katya
    January 21, 5:39 pm

    AK question? which you wont answer correctly.. whats so sacred about old believers that its such a big sin to expose yourself? If it was a great culture you would want the world to know about your kind, not hide behind close doors. Its because you know its all LIES and false teaching! And my father was a preacher in Alaska he wasn’t able to tell me why either because there is no scriptures regarding that ,its men made rule.

  57. katya
    January 21, 9:11 pm

    Andy you state that they re-baptize don’t you guys do it also if any one comes to your church? Matter of fact all of your 4 separation churches baptize when you join their church..

    I’m pretty sure you don’t even know what the true meaning why you need to get baptize .

    Both you and AK are nothing but Buffoons !

    definitions of buffoons
    1.a ridiculous but amusing person; a clown. jester, fool, comic

  58. katya
    January 21, 9:19 pm

    AK I found what is the Definition of True Old believer

    CULT 1. a. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
    b. The followers of such a religion or sect.
    2. A system or community of religious worship and ritual.
    3. The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual.
    4. A usually nonscientific method or regimen claimed by its originator to have exclusive or exceptional power
    5.
    a. Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing.
    b. The object of such devotion.
    6. An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic or intellectual interest.

  59. ak49ian
    January 22, 5:53 pm

    :) Katya. Wow. Looks like we got another smart one here. Thank you for the definition of your over used word “cult”. Now it makes sense of how your people convert others to their sect. You are doing a fantastic job of describing your own kind. Keep talking. :) For further answers, kindly reread my above posts.

    I’m sure that quite a bit more of you people are about to pop out of the woodwork. ;) Take a deep breath, contact your “sidekick” o.Pavel, and ask him if he found that special cream to soothe your obvious pain.

    It’s not working, sister. Grow up and accept the fact that you’re not changing any minds here. Maybe we’re all mistaken, maybe we’re all right, who knows? I’m not interested in debating religion. Just saying like it is.

    To Nat Geo: Please do us all a favor and show a notice before every future “Red Alaska” show that would maybe say something like this- The following views are expressed by the Alaskan “New Believers”. The true Old Believers wanted to be left alone to practice in peace.

    P.S. There is a lot of information that could be found on the behavior patterns of people who are losing a discussion. For example, they begin to raise their voice (name calling, laughing hysterically ) and simply making no sense. All of this has been displayed by the Popejniki who ranted above. Chill, OK? We’re not interested in your modern day reformation. :)

  60. Andy
    January 22, 6:25 pm

    Sill in denial I see about the fact that they accepted the modern priesthood

  61. Luba (in the name of Saint Lubov, aka LOVE)
    Woodburn
    January 26, 1:43 pm

    Lord, Jesus Christ, Son of God, please forgive me a sinner.

    To AK49ian: o. Pavel is who he says he is, o. Pavel (o. abbreviated for отец, as in ordained priest from the community that accepted priesthood here in the United States over 30 years ago, godson to our dearly departed very first ordained priest in Alaska o. Kondtraty). o. Pavel was baptized in the name of our Great Apostle Paul, full name Pavel in Russian. As a Russian old believer, we all know this, why don’t you know this? And what is your full first name AK49ian, if would be so kind to share?

    Over 30 years ago, I was one of the baptized in the name of Saint Lubov, meaning Love in Russian, in that stream filled pond in Nikolaevsk as mentioned by Andy earlier (please spell the name of the village in discussion here correctly next time, k? :). This said pond was man made and it was shut down due to man deciding it to be shut down, oh please, I really beg you, please do your research before speaking such nonsense of signs from God.

    We as Christians, as Old Believers, must always only focus and trust that God has sent us his child, Jesus Christ, 2047 years ago (2014 plus 33 years, the age Jesus Christ was crucified) to educate us lay people and learn how to love, respect, and honor each other with faith and hope, and always seek out the Truth, and always stand by the Truth, even if persecuted and ridiculed. Hundreds of thousands of Christians have been tortured and murdered over the last 2,000 years in honor of this Truth as taught to us by Jesus Christ.

    AK49ian, I also beg you in the name of the Lord and all that is good, please do your research on what a true Old Believer is. Your statement “#6 The true Old Believer church hasn’t changed since their people ran from Russia.) is absolutely TRUE and FACT. The New Rite church was torturing and murdering them for not accepting all the changes made by Patriarch Nikon. All old believers worldwide know this as fact, why don’t you know this? Even the New Rite church in Russia today, in this day and age 348 years later, acknowledge the wrongdoing and admit fault that was caused by the Russian government and Patriarch Nikon.

    Please do your research, again I beg you, in the name of Christ, please do you research on why they ran from Russia. Find out how the Russian Orthodox Church was originally formed in 988 and survived through 1666, and why the Old Believers are referred to Old Believers, a referred name created in 1666 after the schism in Russia, the years that Old Believers were persecuted and the reason they needed to flee Russia.

    I pray for you and will continue to pray for you and you kin, that one day you will seek and find the real Truth that has been available to us always and stop with all this nonsense that doesn’t go anywhere or prove anything.

    I have nothing to hide and am not perfect, only God is perfect. Please forgive me a sinner.

    Luba (an Old Believer)

  62. Luba (in the name of Saint Lubov, aka LOVE)
    Woodburn
    January 26, 1:56 pm

    To all those Old Believers that have “nastoyateli” as priests, I beg you, do your research and find out why your “nastoyateli” have come to our ordained priests over the last 30 years and asked for “holy bread” to give to sick people prior to death. The answer is that I tell you, is they know they don’t have the means to prepare “holy bread” because they are just lay people, and come to our ordained priests knowing that the “holy bread” is required for salvation. Your elders won’t tell you this in public because they don’t have enough to go around to all the children.

  63. Luba (in the name of Saint Lubov, aka LOVE)
    Woodburn
    January 26, 2:06 pm

    Your elders will tell you that holy bread that they do have has been passed down for the last 348 years when they did have ordained priests that could prepare “holy bread”. How much truth do you think that has? Could “holy bread” (bread crumbs today), really still be available for 348 years after so many people of the old believers have passed away or been sick?

    I find myself asking and wondering why you really don’t know this if the bible and scripture is what you read and follow?

  64. Luba (in the name of Saint Lubov, aka LOVE)
    Woodburn
    January 26, 2:16 pm

    Signs from God are all around us, even today. The turmoil caused and created each day locally and worldwide shows all christians worldwide of all backgrounds, that evil is also among us.

    All Christians worldwide must stand together to fight for the Truth!!!

  65. 907
    February 1, 6:38 am

    Luba aka. Love. You are a dooooorachka

  66. Luba
    Woodburn
    February 2, 3:54 pm

    907…truth will set you free. May the Lord forgive you.

  67. Andy
    February 3, 9:38 am

    It already has , but thanks any way Luba for that well versed speech . We know the truth and don’t need yours .and still you didn’t answer, where exactly did u say u got baptized from, and from who? Riddle me that

  68. True old believer
    February 3, 9:43 am

    It already has , but thanks any way Luba for that well versed speech . We know the truth and don’t need yours .and still you didn’t answer, where exactly did u say u got baptized from, and from who? Riddle me that

  69. True old believer
    February 3, 9:50 am

    True old believer and Andy are the same guy. Had to use other name because nat geo site wouldn’t let me post and now it posted both ,weird!

  70. Luba
    Woodburn
    February 7, 6:26 pm

    907, Andy, True Old Believer….. wow, a true chameleon, so much so that the Lord may not be able to recognize you.. it is pointless to even have any discussion with you, you are truly lost and now you have also shown the entire world that you are lost. You are welcome in my home anytime you change your mind and would like to discuss or converse in a mature manner. May the Lord provide you with peace and love in your heart.

  71. Fly & Fish
    Kenai Peninsula
    February 14, 11:42 pm

    What a shameful behavior by a bunch of drunken boors! Next time on the new episode don’t forget to tell the world that how did your grand father burned the BESPOPOBSKOO traditional church in 1983 , the one was originally built next across the road in 1978.

  72. Luba
    Woodburn
    February 18, 1:46 am

    Fly & Fish, I attended this original church myself, my grandfather’s sister Akulina lived in the cottage connected to the bathrooms, I spent many days at her cottage and remember it quite well.

    From what I recall, this malenaya burned down due to coal not being put out properly by a nastavchik, not a secret at all. But then I forget whom I am connecting and talking with, it’s always easier for them to blame an elderly person or an 8 month old pregnant woman that had apparently crawled through a 12×12 inch hole 15 feet up through the roof line.

    My my, oh my Lord…please help these haters and evil doers and evil sayers and provide them with peace and understanding and help them clear their eyes and remove the bolders from their eyes so they may see their own evil ways. Amen.

  73. 907
    February 24, 9:28 pm

    Doorachka

  74. Andy
    February 25, 4:25 pm

    Luba I understand why u have to repeat your self over and over, u need to comfort ur self because u and people like u need to reassure ur self in your NEWLY baptized religion , mean while the true old believers just sit back and watch u make a fool of ur self . By the way this blog is for nat geo red Alaska comments not your reassuring religise sicoligist

  75. o.Pavel
    Canby
    February 27, 1:44 am

    One truth that Andy and his old believer friends have repeated is that they are true OLD believers. Their modern-day version of true OLD believer religion predates Christianity to the days of Pagan Russia. A time in Russian history, full of pagan ritual and void of any Holy Sacraments.
    The other truth that Andy has stated is the fact that The Old Rite Church truly belongs to the NEWLY baptized religion of Christ, baptized by the Holy Spirit of Christ Himself – the New Testament of Christ.
    These are undisputed facts as we can see that Andy is well educated. His use and spelling of words like “religise sicoligist” are proof and are very reassuring.

  76. Ivan
    Mexico
    February 27, 5:08 am

    I have several questions for O Pavel,

    Did you ever talk to the actors/your followers in the making of Red Alaska Documentary?

    Did you ask them why they expressed such negative statements in the movie about other surrounding communities? Many of them are not true!

    Do you approve Nat Geo filming and support your actors Dom, George and Kira in the making of Red Alaska Documentary?

    The reason I ask is you as their Отец (according to Luba) you are not trying to contain the situation but you try to reverse the words other people post on the blog. You being as your followers hi ranking figure should be setting an example of Holy fathers that are read in the scripture. We can go on and on dating back to the early settlement in Nikolaevsk and keep bringing up the problems in the community till now, for what?

    We know that at one time we all were one religion and attended the same church in Nikolaevsk, that means you and I, until you and your followers found something new and went your own way. To make the story short, why don’t you people go your way and we’ll go ours?

    I think things were fine before Nat Geo showed up, I wonder why they would even publish such a documentary?

    I remember Nat Geo publishing a 1972 magazine about Nikolaevsk and people, I still think they did a great job then, I still like to read it once in a while.

    I wonder how Nat Geo’s Maeve McDermott sleeps at night knowingly what turmoil she has caused by posting such a documentary, I hope not to see Nat Geo in these neck of woods ever!

  77. ak49ian
    March 1, 11:25 pm

    It’s almost funny how the new believers “Popejniki” have been exposed as silly reality stars, nothing more, yet they keep debating the Old Believers. Even their Fathers are all a part of it (Father Nik, Father Pavel).

    O.Pavel, I have no idea about your age but if you are over 30-40 you will remember one true thing about the Old Believer church. And that is- the Old Believers know about the holy sacraments. Indeed, without that, the church teaches that one’s chance for salvation is pretty much zero to none (if we’re talking about the same thing, that is. English is my second language).

    The Old Believers get it.

    And you also get it.

    So that to me sounds like everybody agrees.

    But remember this- THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TRUE BEGINNING. Your people chose to ignore that bit of very important information by going and joining and mixing with the modern day priests (substitutes). Too many schisms have made it impossible to sort out who actually has the authority to exercise the holy rituals.

    You believe it isn’t possible for the Old Believers to enter the gates of Heaven without your priests. That is exactly how the Old Believers feel about your “substitute ” priests. What one thinks is Holy can quite possibly be NOT. Sounds to me like it’s sort of a gamble on both sides….

    So let’s once again get to the point. This discussion should not be about religion. This discussion is happening only because a bunch of degenerates got together and starred in a film. Even that is not all. The real problem is that they have the gonads to call themselves Old Believers.

    Please, let’s not call an Apple an Orange.

  78. o.Pavel
    Canby
    March 6, 1:30 am

    In an answer to Ivan from Mexico:
    Did you ever talk to the actors/your followers in the making of Red Alaska Documentary?
    Yes I have they, are all related to me. They are as much my followers as you are to your leaders.

    Did you ask them why they expressed such negative statements in the movie about other surrounding communities? Many of them are not true!
    The negative nature of the film is the way Nat Geo wanted to portray their film. They wanted a reaction. This is a sensationalized version of the truth, i.e. twisted truth. What was actually said and what was edited, and how it was edited, are two different things.

    Do you approve Nat Geo filming and support your actors Dom, George and Kira in the making of Red Alaska Documentary?
    I disapproved the whole project from the start. I knew, from the previous Nat Geo projects, that it would end up a disaster. I no longer live in Nikolaevsk and have very little influence over these people. Nat Geo called me to allow them to use some of my work on their show but I absolutely refused. The direction that Nat Geo took with this film is shameful to say the least. To exploit a painful struggle in an, otherwise, astonishing community is heart breaking. Nat Geo took the trust of a grassroots society and spat in their face. The sad part of all of this is they got away with it, as they new they could. The above named (actors) and what they are speak for them selves.

    The reason I ask is you as their Отец (according to Luba) you are not trying to contain the situation but you try to reverse the words other people post on the blog. You being as your followers hi ranking figure should be setting an example of Holy fathers that are read in the scripture. We can go on and on dating back to the early settlement in Nikolaevsk and keep bringing up the problems in the community till now, for what?
    You have to agree with me that every person will feel hurt when they are falsely accused. Many of the comments on this blog are absolutely false. Therefore, some people have no choice but to answer in rebuttal. They have no choice but to guard their faith and feelings. Our Holy Forefathers saw this happen time and time again. Throughout Christian history you will find Christians stand up for truth, create councils, and set laws. These laws still apply today. When the community of Nikolaevsk or Old Rite Christians in general, is threatened with fraudulent accusations, there is no choice but to disprove these false accusations. This is not the first time in history that Christians stood their ground.

    We know that at one time we all were one religion and attended the same church in Nikolaevsk, that means you and I, until you and your followers found something new and went your own way.
    We did go our own way. We made a choice for the salvation of our souls. We revived what was lost in the last 300 years. We still pray the same as you. We read the same books as you. We sing the same hymns as you. We cross our bodies with the same two fingers as you. The difference – we fulfill ALL of the required Sacred Sacraments.

    I think things were fine before Nat Geo showed up, I wonder why they would even publish such a documentary?
    Sensationalism! Profits! Ratings!

    I remember Nat Geo publishing a 1972 magazine about Nikolaevsk and people, I still think they did a great job then, I still like to read it once in a while.
    That was National Geographic’s magazine. My photo is featured in that article, I was a teenager then. I still have a copy in my library. Nat Geo is a distant illegitimate relative. Sort of like the difference between the Old Rite and Old Believers:-)

    In answer to ak49ian:
    It’s almost funny how the new believers “Popejniki” have been exposed as silly reality stars, nothing more, yet they keep debating the Old Believers. Even their Fathers are all a part of it (Father Nik, Father Pavel).
    It IS hilarious how you can belittle other human beings – God’s creation. How you can show your attained status in front of God. How you have already judged those that God has yet to judge. Belittling and calling people names only shows how simpleminded you are. Do you even know what “Popejniki” means and what it stands for?

    O.Pavel, I have no idea about your age but if you are over 30-40 you will remember one true thing about the Old Believer church. And that is- the Old Believers know about the holy sacraments.
    Most certainly they KNOW ABOUT them – but do they practice them?

    Indeed, without that, the church teaches that one’s chance for salvation is pretty much zero to none (if we’re talking about the same thing, that is. English is my second language).
    The Old Believers get it.
    And you also get it.
    So that to me sounds like everybody agrees.
    Glory to God in Heaven, at last, one Old Believer has stated an undisputed fact.

    But remember this- THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TRUE BEGINNING. Your people chose to ignore that bit of very important information by going and joining and mixing with the modern day priests (substitutes). Too many schisms have made it impossible to sort out who actually has the authority to exercise the holy rituals.
    THE TRUE BEGINNING was Jesus Christ Himself. His Apostles were His SUBSTITUTES. They laid hands on future bishops who became their substitutes and so on and so on until today. To say otherwise is to call Jesus a fraud. I was ordained in the same fashion, to be His substitute – to teach His Word. He also gave you a choice, either to accept or reject His Word.

    You believe it isn’t possible for the Old Believers to enter the gates of Heaven without your priests.
    I have no authority to judge you. God will be your judge. My responsibility is to show you the Light. Whether you follow the Light or sit in your darkness is up to you.

    That is exactly how the Old Believers feel about your “substitute ” priests. What one thinks is Holy can quite possibly be NOT. Sounds to me like it’s sort of a gamble on both sides….
    So take the gamble without Sacraments – I choose to be with Them.

    So let’s once again get to the point. This discussion should not be about religion. This discussion is happening only because a bunch of degenerates got together and starred in a film.
    And you and I are two degenerates discussing these people. How is that going to make us better when we face God’s Judgment?

    Even that is not all. The real problem is that they have the gonads to call themselves Old Believers.
    Please, let’s not call an Apple an Orange.
    Apples or Oranges, we have only One God – One Creator.

    Forgive me a sinner.
    o.Pavel

  79. ak49ian
    March 9, 3:52 pm

    O.Pavel, you were doing quite a well up until you said this- “We know that at one time we all were one religion and attended the same church in Nikolaevsk, that means you and I, until you and your followers found something new and went your own way.”

    You see, for some reason, you can’t stick to the truth, in the end you still went and added that last bit about “until you and your followers [meaning the Old Believers] found something new and went your own way”.

    No. That is incorrect. You just can’t help yourself, can you? Seems that you just HAVE to twist and mix the truth with distortion. Be careful with that. The Old Believers kept their old ways. YOU WENT YOUR OWN WAY.

    Then you say “Belittling and calling people names only shows how simpleminded you are. Do you even know what “Popejniki” means and what it stands for?” I agree that name calling is simpleminded. That’s why I avoid doing that. You see, I worked with a “Popejnik” who happened to call himself just that. It is quite the same as calling the Old Believers “Bezpopovtsi”. I’m not offended, and neither should you be.

    You say “Glory to God in Heaven, at last, one Old Believer has stated an undisputed fact.” Well, the truth is that the Old Believers have been providing undisputed facts to your people since the day you went in search of Holy people in disrupted churches.

    “To say otherwise is to call Jesus a fraud. I was ordained in the same fashion, to be His substitute – to teach His Word. He also gave you a choice, either to accept or reject His Word.” What have I said that tells you I called “Jesus a fraud”? Are you even reading what was written in the above posts? Better yet, do you reread your own before posting?

    I accept His word. I know Jesus is the true beginning. I know the apostles were His “substitutes” for lack of a better word. All of the Old Believers know that. But here is the catch- There are a lot of different churches that DO practice the “Holy Sacraments” (I don’t know how else to say that). Are you with them? I mean, with any and all of the churches around the world. Or do you try to make sure that the church is actually pure before joining? You see, just because someone practices the Holy Sacraments doesn’t mean that they come from the ORIGINAL church. Therein lies the problem.

    I agree that neither of us has the authority to judge anyone. That is why I said in the previous post ” Sounds to me like it’s sort of a gamble on both sides….” To my understanding, your gamble is that the church you joined has direct connections to the pure and original church. The Old Believers’ gamble is that rather than to join a corrupt church, they will try their best to KEEP their church pure (can’t damage the foundation, or the top will crumble upon you).

    You are correct when you say you read the same books as the Old Believers do, unless, somewhere along the way, you acquired new books…because for some reason you missed the parts on the importance of purity in the true church. So, to say that the Old Believers’ gamble is without Sacraments is incorrect. Every true Christian must take them. But first, the people with authority from the original church must be found…

    “And you and I are two degenerates discussing these people. How is that going to make us better when we face God’s Judgment?” I’m am quite sure that I am not any better than anyone else. Most importantly, I’m am sure I would not be here discussing this film if it did not exist in the first place. I must say, though, if someone does not wish to be called a “degenerate” (sorry for the strong word choice), then that particular person should not act like one. And, in my humble opinion, there were quite a few scenes that made even me cringe, a sinner.

    “Apples or Oranges, we have only One God – One Creator.” Again, I’m sorry, I can be such a ditz sometimes- Did I miss the part where someone said that there are more than One God-More than One Creator? Strange….I don’t recall reading or writing that. But wait, maybe it’s because…

    Воистинну, there IS only One God-On Creator.

    Forgive me, a sinner.

    You say “

  80. o.Pavel
    March 10, 9:37 pm

    AK49ian,
    You keep beating us over the head about the PURITY of “bespopovtsi”.
    Please enlighten us with a list of pure religious doctrine that the “bespopovtsi” follow – what they base their belief on i.e. their Creed.
    Doctrine that you can back up with passages from “Kormchia”, “Nomokanon” and teachings from Holy Fathers like the Apostles, Basil the Great, John Chrysostom, etc. etc.
    When you can do that, we will all know the truth.

  81. ak49ian
    March 11, 12:58 am

    o.Pavel, I never intended to debate your beliefs or to beat you over the head about anything. I am sorry if you feel that way. I have felt the need to clarify a few things in the above comments and so I did.

    It is obvious that you have found your truth and will not change your mind (and I more than likely will not, either). There are hundreds of other beliefs that you and I could debate, but why would we, right? Same goes for the Popovsti and Bezpopovtsi.

    Which brings me to the issue at hand: If or when the cameras start rolling again, please, for the sake of all of us (you and me), tell your people to lay off of the Old Believers. Long ago you have gone your way, tell them to get over it. There is no feud. Nobody is out to get anybody. Tell the world about yourselves. Anything you want. But leave the Old Believers out of it.

    You wrote that you disapproved of the project from the start and I applaud you for that. But, isn’t there some sort of punishment for those who did participate, including Father Nik? If any of the Old Believers’ priests took part in something like this, they would quite quickly be removed from their position. Not only should he not have participated, he should have been making sure that nobody from his church did.

    And no, that is not according to “man made laws” like some claim the Old Believers go by. I’m sure that you will agree when I say this: When Nat Geo initially approached your people, everybody should have kindly said “No, thank you. Leave us alone” and sent the back to wherever..

    That would have been the “Old Believer way”.

    I do ask for forgiveness, as it is the time of Great Lent. I should not be here causing a stir.

  82. 907
    March 11, 4:55 am

    Ak 49ian. I don’t think “popejniks” have any kind of punishments on being filmed. If you go to utube and search for alaska old believers all u get is father nik and his church on camera being interviewed. You would think father nik would disapprove but actually he’s the first guy on camera. What kind of leadership is that? Can’t be old believer if you ask me. And on this show “Red Alaska” they put a camera right next to the icon, they were praying into the camera.
    Looks like these guys were eager to get on the show and start talking about the real old believers.
    I say bravo go ahead keep the red alaska show going rock on more power for popejniks but just don’t go to old believer communities “voznesnka, razdolna, selo, etc” and talk about them.

  83. o.Pavel
    March 12, 11:24 am

    God Forgives! AK 49ian.
    I firmly believe in the following passages from the Bible:
    1 Corinthians 4:5: So don’t make judgments about anyone ahead of time–before the Lord returns. For he will bring our darkest secrets to light and will reveal our private motives. Then God will give to each one whatever praise is due.
    Romans 2:1: You may think you can condemn such people, but you are just as bad, and you have no excuse! When you say they are wicked and should be punished, you are condemning yourself, for you who judge others do these very same things.
    Luke 6:37: Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn others, or it will all come back against you. Forgive others, and you will be forgiven.
    Mark 16:15: And He said to them, “Go into the entire world and preach the gospel to all creation. He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
    Luke 11:33: No one lights a lamp and then hides it or puts it under a basket. Instead, a lamp is placed on a stand, where its light can be seen by all who enter the house. Your eye is a lamp that provides light for your body. When your eye is good, your whole body is filled with light. But when it is bad, your body is filled with darkness. Make sure that the light you think you have is not actually darkness. If you are filled with light, with no dark corners, then your whole life will be radiant, as though a floodlight were filling you with light.”

    God Bless you all!

  84. ak49ian
    March 12, 7:04 pm

    Thank you for that, but I wonder if you actually read it. In your January posts, you were likening people to “a wall of hallucinating African chimps”, and calling out some Old Believers by name and as “scum”, “pedofiles”, “rapists”, etc. Practice what you preach, my man, and God WILL forgive. :)

  85. ak49ian
    March 12, 7:18 pm

    By the way, that was addressed to you, o.Pavel. Those were quotes from your posts. Pretty nasty stuff, but I’m sure that you meant well. Nobody is perfect. You’re forgiven, just not forgotten.

  86. o.Pavel
    March 12, 11:30 pm

    1 Corinthians 6:7: Why not just accept the injustice and leave it at that? Why not let yourselves be cheated? Instead, you yourselves are the ones who do wrong and cheat even your fellow believers. Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God.

  87. ak49ian
    March 13, 2:45 pm

    Good Point. Let’s leave it at that.

  88. stranniki
    Hollywood
    March 15, 3:57 pm

    An Overdue Advisory

    I offer here an open notice from a Wandering old Orthodox Christian ascetic.
    Please share with friends and family.

    Although this letter is written by an individual, this individual offers the following ideas based upon the broadest view possible. For more than the first quarter-century of my life I was very open-minded to practically everything, being raised in California. Since that first quarter-century I have been devoted to goodness, for goodness sake. It has been better than another quarter-century. This second foundation is serious, representing a complete commitment towards the single goal of keeping on in a spiritual and socially sensible morality. I expect to continue for the entirety of my future life in this effort to test and prove and keep what is good, at least as much as depends on me.

    If memory serves me well, I was younger than the age of 10 when I visited the Russian settlement in California known as Fort Ross. I was not even 30 when I began college level studies on the good Eastern Orthodox Christian faith. A couple years later I noticed the Russian Old Believers; this started from a 1972 National Geographic magazine article. From then on I have thought of them as truly good Christians. I have been in this ongoing conversion ever since, for over a quarter-century.

    A primary premiss here is that our modern world is destroying everything, including itself, but in particular the Russian old Orthodox Christian Faith and its way of Life. It would appear to our modern world that nothing is worth preserving intact, for only minor remnants remain of the good ol’ days. At this point in time there is really no practical way of reproducing here what was lost so long ago. On issues relating to the Faith all the Russian Old Believers in the world today agree. All of us have been affected by the ever increasing evils that abound around us. Hopefully nobody would expect too much from anyone, but is it too much to ask for everyone to consider good ideas?

    The Old Believers struggle to maintain their identity, for the evil ways of this world demand conformity to its anti-identities. It is no wonder that worldly-minded people wrongly suspect Old Believers of malintent. If everyone would step back for a moment it would be clear that the greater malintent is on the other side. From the second half of the seventeenth century many deadly social and cultural transformations have been forcefully imposed on those who only want to keep the Russian old Orthodox way of life. The Wanderers live so minimally that nobody can honestly say they are a cause of harm. My people are the sole caretakers of these strong and healthy customs, passing them on as much as possible in the anti-culture environment we are found in.

    Humanitarian thought totally misses the mark in any efforts at assistance, for what is needed more than anything is to be left alone. So there is this ever present and increasing conflict that reaches far back in time. Fortunately, old Orthodoxy is so rich in diversity that it has a unique ability to preserve itself during this great onslaught.

    The modern world only offers ethical violations to the old Orthodox Christians. The conditions of modern times and surroundings are more harmful than most people realize. These issues have significant importance to everyone, for everything of value is at risk. The last thing needed is to be included in the newfangled ways of this world. The reality of modern society is one only of innovations, which promote rejection of all the long settled good practices. Sensible and valid ideas are trampled; and economic values are more distorted than ever in recorded history.
    stranniki@live.com

  89. stranniki
    Hollywood
    March 15, 4:00 pm

    So, more than practically any other group the old Orthodox has been forced to learn how to adapt during these present adverse conditions. One effective position is to simply not remain in any one place very long. But that is becoming more problematical all the time with the advent of more and more evil invasions of land, water, air and more. The soon end of all things will come when it is totally impossible for anyone to avoid the operation of evil.

    Something which is not very well understood is our doctrine that salvation is only to be found by escaping the world of the Antichrist. I offer here the opportunity to consider this for every hearer or reader of these words. There is a physical aspect to this. Another very crucial aspect is to accept the idea of admitting the need of a constant ongoing personal confession, due to the perilous times we are in. At least that is a first step. Otherwise we are in denial, and there is no hope in any denial of truth at all. Recognizing our situation brings us to an isolation of sorts. But, isolation from evil brings us to the greatest goodness, so it is then that we finally find ourselves with multitudes of good company.

    Let us never forget that the little world of us Strangers is terribly threatened. I hope that more people will focus on the modern world and turn around, for we do not have much time left. Those who are mere wanderers stand out in the greater world around us; we are indeed vastly and drastically different. We need to be this way if we are to maintain features pertaining to old Christianity as a whole. We have our own ideology, our own way of writing and continue a culture reliant solely on its own economy. These adaptive strategies allow for some behavioral variations while still remaining within old cultural values, norms and preferences.

    From the beginning of Russian old Orthodox Christianity our people have been unjustly accused of the most vial crimes. This is due to the fact that for some time now having an inclination towards self-preservation has been outlawed. So the old Orthodox who maintains their independence from the world has become a scientific object which needs a solution. For many today old Christianity will appear revolutionary as it has largely unknown interpretations and a lot of forgotten history.

    Those who insist on a life of poverty can effectively hide from worldliness. No doubt this idea will be a real struggle for most people today. It is actually more stable than might commonly be thought. Keeping the mindset of all the other Russian Old Believers is a great assistance in the effort to truly conserve, preserve and protect what we have. The Wandering life experience is so large that no individual will ever learn about it all in this life. We have settled across all of Europe, Asia and the Americas. In Australia as well, no doubt all the continents. Such reproduction of this culture and society is proof of its ability to preserve itself even in our modern times.

    There are more than enough intellectual avenues which can allow anyone to better adapt to the changes that are so speedily occurring around us. This will allow us to maintain integrity, correct teachings and behave in accordance with a good life. In this way it is possible to participate in the most amazing temporal time ever known. Operating in a manner consistent with this transitory way has become somewhat of an established institution over the centuries and across the globe. These characteristics are easily adapted through various resources, the ideas are amazing to all those who practice this. We are always mindful of the eschatological character we must have.

    There are of course a selected few areas of adaptation between modern technologies, to some extent these are determined by each individual circumstance. Much consideration must be made toward what is consented. It is necessary to realize that there are many ruptures that are constantly happening around us. Wanderers are all on a pilgrimage without a lot of options and are also part of what is truly a rare phenomenon. To a large extent our separatist mentality is recognized as being socio-political in nature. This is the first thing that enters the minds of worldly-minded people. We are of course being looked upon as being against the modern government and against the modern society. Therefore, the modern world desires that our influence be shutdown.

  90. stranniki
    Hollywood
    March 15, 4:02 pm

    The Russian old Orthodox group is distinguished from other dissenters in that we are substantiated by the doctrine of escape. Theoretically this is grounded from the greatest thinkers of the seventeenth century. It further requires a return to the isolationism of early Christianity. The concept of this radical ideological tradition is most offensive to the world during these last times.

    Modern government laws portray our way of thinking as attracting others to a harmful sectarianism of vagrancy. The wandering old Orthodox are a stranger to the rights given to others who capitulate, cooperate and collaborate with modern government. Those who start Wandering are incapable of quitting because the leaders of the world are all seen as the reign of Antichrist. Also, for us, the only hope of safety is to flee the cares of this world. No common ground at all can be found in this world.

    The Russian government officials have explained that our sect of Runners are the most daring and outrageous example against the establishment. These Runners were a vanguard march on all earthly government, as the current law and order is determined to progressively keep the seal of Antichrist. There is a broad variety of awareness in protest opposing modern government enslavement.

    Our Runners began just prior to the Industrial Revolution, foreseeing our times now at their doorstep. Even the peasants were educated in this regard. Industrialism in Russia caused masses to join the escapist position of the Wanderers; the Atheist government executed extremely large numbers of us. That was the result of capitalism in Russia, where the population was forced to beg the government for everything under its Communism. The government began collecting all family members for its work effort. The consequences were devastating in one way, but it also proved the Faith, which is strong among Russians. During this time those who spoke the truth were obviously not so prosperous.

    Later the Wanderer soldiers were able to form a group of influential disobedience. They proclaimed the emperor, all civil authority, and the official church as Antichrist. The individual Wanderer has a typical reaction based on values of faith and belief, and is also skilled in the field of thought, feeling and will. This is worthy of learning; that is, this world view, its correlation with the value systems of Christian consciousness in general, and old Russian literature in particular. Worthy of note is their actual withdrawing from public authority. Just remember that there is, in fact, a well-established wandering culture, which has become a model explaining both its past and present history.

    I personally want to reinforce the idea of representing the Old Believers as the epitome of morality and intelligence. The Soviets gave the Wanderers a right to exist only in three forms, as an example protesting monarchy, as guarding old literature and lastly as a folk community. Because of these repressive circumstantial rights there were new approaches to the culture of Wandering.

    It is incumbent on all people to also learn about how contradictory the totality of modern technology has become in regards to life in general. The reality of our eschatological perception shows a situation where they had advanced knowledge of our current daily existence. For centuries they have been aware of how dangerous modern society is to the survival of all people. The example of their wandering migrations around the world is evidence and proof about the nature of the Industrial Revolution. Everyone can see the objective social factors, primarily because of the multitudes of Runner ideologies.

  91. stranniki
    Hollywood
    March 15, 4:04 pm

    The impact of the Wanderers has focused on the question of salvation for the Christian soul in this new environment. As a result of the centuries long Wandering message many people have been drawn into their ideas. Even though a certain secularism and atheism appears to have taken root in society at large, a realization of what is actually true and false has also begun to be realized over a large cross-section of modern society. Knowledge of the problems we all face pertaining to our moral and physical survival are building and are the basis of many re-organizational movements in these realms today.

    So the interpretation of end time scenarios is the motivating factor of the Wanderers, but where can we go today. We are backed into a corner, as it were. There is in fact a hope for a clean and protected place away from the world of the Antichrist. At one time the Wanderers not only looked for, but they even created such places. Now such places continue to exist practically only in our hearts and minds. Our current conditions, where we have involuntary exposure to worldliness, make the demand that we no longer show the meanings of our symbols openly.

    Social norms, like economic and communication practices, have already destroyed our old form of Christian life. What we have learned creates a behavioral pattern which is very empowering as an apocalyptic role keeper of ideas with timeless and universal meaning. It really takes a small group, or even better, simple individuals, to confront the state machine and its elite power structure we now see. This is because authentic Christianity became illegal centuries ago; the only way for a Christian to exist is to find a benefactor of mundane forms of assistance.

    The consequences of our existence are clear. Due to modern conditions we truly lack regular transportation and other types of communication links. This makes it practically impossible to have a good community orientation of Wanderers. There are not many hopes of overcoming our individual autonomy. It must be admitted that we are not completely isolated from the processes of modernization, but this proves again that we are only reacting to an invasion from outside Christianity, a deadly evil force outside our Life. The Wanderers face a completely different set of issues with every passing generation. The Wanderers are forced to prove themselves; firstly this is the very doctrine of a Wanderer, making their unique place in the overall scene of Christian history.

    The reality of modernization is knowable and therefore is controllable. In order to maintain anything of the dogma of old Orthodox Russia it is necessary to adapt, in limited ways, to the conditions that surround us. Any minor adjustments the Wanderers make to their mode of living today does not compare with the overwhelming large effect of the whole modern world upon them. Nobody can justifiably find any fault with regard to our compromise in this arena. The individual choice, to me a Wanderer, is more than adequate to resolve any danger of my own personal failings. The liability lies entirely on the larger civilization that is now present.

    There are not a lot of differences between modern industrialized governments. No doubt they consider us as harassment. However, it is the modern world which is causing harassment to the greater extreme. It is today’s modern civilization itself that is unjustifiable. They are in fact a giant beast that has long been depicted. Though well known, most people ignore their own active participation with it.

    The conclusion of all this lends support to all the ancient Christian prophecies. They explained how, that during the very last days, working out salvation will be more difficult than it was for previous martyrs and sufferers. With this foundation it is allowable to see variations in the way that the Wanderers exist today, despite any suggested losses from the original Wandering example.

    forgive me, your brother

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